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		<title>Strange Quotes from John MacArthur’s Strange Fire</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do Pentecostal/charismatics treat the Holy Spirit, as MacArthur alleges, like an impersonal force? Do classical Pentecostals insist that all Christians should speak in tongues? More on the topic: John MacArthur’s Strange Fire: Estranged by misinterpretation? John MacArthur’s Strange Fire, Reviewed by R. Loren Sandford Frank Macchia on the Gifts of God to the Church John [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><strong>Do Pentecostal/charismatics treat the Holy Spirit, as MacArthur alleges, like an impersonal force?</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Do classical Pentecostals insist that all Christians should speak in tongues?</strong></p>
<p><strong>More on the topic:</strong></p>
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<li><a href="http://pneumareview.com/john-macarthurs-strange-fire-estranged-by-misinterpretation/"><strong>John MacArthur’s Strange Fire: Estranged by misinterpretation?</strong></a></li>
<li><strong><a href="http://pneumareview.com/john-macarthurs-strange-fire-reviewed-by-r-loren-sandford/"><strong>John MacArthur’s Strange Fire, Reviewed by R. Loren Sandford</strong></a></strong></li>
<li><a href="http://pneumareview.com/frank-macchia-on-the-gifts-of-god-to-the-church/"><strong>Frank Macchia on the Gifts of God to the Church</strong></a></li>
<li><a href="http://pneumareview.com/john-macarthurs-strange-fire-reviewed-by-eddie-l-hyatt/"><strong>John MacArthur’s Strange Fire, Reviewed by Eddie L. Hyatt</strong></a></li>
<li><a href="http://pneumareview.com/john-macarthurs-strange-fire-a-brief-biblical-response-by-jon-ruthven/"><strong>John MacArthur’s Strange Fire, A Brief Biblical Response by Jon Ruthven</strong></a></li>
<li><strong><a href="http://pneumareview.com/john-macarthurs-strange-fire-as-parody-of-jonathan-edwards-theology-by-william-de-arteaga/">John MacArthur’s Strange Fire as Parody of Jonathan Edwards’ Theology, by William De Arteaga</a></strong></li>
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<span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/are-pentecostals-offering-strange-fire/" target="_self" class="bk-button yellow center rounded large">Are Pentecostals offering Strange Fire? (Panel Discussion)</a></span>
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		<title>John MacArthur’s Strange Fire, A Brief Biblical Response by Jon Ruthven</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John MacArthur, Strange Fire: The Danger of Offending the Holy Spirit with Counterfeit Worship (Nashville, TN: Nelson Books, 2013), 333 pages, ISBN 9781400206414. As we shall see, John MacArthur’s abhorrence of “further revelation” via prophecy and related spiritual gifts derives, not from scripture, but from the frustration of Calvinists under Oliver Cromwell (1599-1658) of watching [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/are-pentecostals-offering-strange-fire/" target="_self" class="bk-button yellow center rounded large">Are Pentecostals offering Strange Fire? (Panel Discussion)</a></span>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Strange-Fire-Offending-Counterfeit-Worship/dp/1400205174/ref=as_li_tf_mfw?&amp;linkCode=wey&amp;tag=wildwoocom-20"><img class="size-full wp-image-472 alignright" title="Strange Fire" src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MacArthur-Strange-Fire.jpg" alt="MacArthur Strange Fire" width="231" height="346" /></a><b>John MacArthur, <i>Strange Fire: The Danger of Offending the Holy Spirit with Counterfeit Worship</i> (Nashville, TN: Nelson Books, 2013), 333 pages, ISBN 9781400206414.</b></p>
<p>As we shall see, John MacArthur’s abhorrence of “further revelation” via prophecy and related spiritual gifts derives, not from scripture, but from the frustration of Calvinists under Oliver Cromwell (1599-1658) of watching so many of their members defect to the Quakers, the crazy charismatics of the time. People were falling down, making a lot of noise and encountering Jesus in visions, prophecies, and healings. Sound familiar? Calvinist scholastics responded to this outrage with the <i>Westminster Confession of Faith (WCF)</i>—often now regarded as the gold standard of Calvinist theology.</p>
<p>Despite the charismatic experiences of even some of the authors of the<i> WCF</i>, and especially their founder, John Knox, whose charismatic experiences were abundant and powerful, the dogmatists managed to ram through this narrow, unpopular paragraph in 1646, which, was to be imposed by threat of death on the British Isles—including Catholic Ireland. This curious history is thoroughly documented in a revised PhD dissertation by Garnet H Milne, <i>The </i><i>Westminster Confession of Faith and the Cessation of Special Revelation</i> (Milton Keynes, UK: Paternoster, 2007). See review in <i>Pneuma </i>31:2 (2009), 318.</p>
<blockquote><p>1. … It pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal Himself, and to declare that His will unto His Church [Heb 1:1] and afterwards for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the Church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan and of the world, to commit the same <i>wholly unto writing</i> [Prov22:19-21; Lk1:3; Rom15:4; Mt 4:4]; which makes the Holy Scripture to be most necessary [2Tm 3:15; 2Pt 1:19]; <i>those former ways of God&#8217;s revealing His will unto His people </i>[miracles, prophecy]<i> being now ceased</i> [Heb1:1-2]. [Emphasis mine]</p></blockquote>
<p>When the <i>WCF </i>was presented to Parliament for approval, the suspicious representatives bounced the document back, quite reasonably fearful that this document was asserting itself as a substitute for scripture itself. They demanded that the writers support every claim in the Confession with a clear grounding in the Bible. The writers grudgingly complied, though their exegetical skills fell far short of supporting their elaborate theologizing. If you can make sense of how these scripture verses they added [in brackets] support the dogmatic claims in this paragraph, then you are a far more insightful exegete than I.</p>
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