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		<title>Praying in the Spirit: That Glorious Day When Tongues are Not Needed: Until Then … Part 2</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The second part of the sixth chapter of the Praying in the Spirit Series. Author Robert Graves continues to examine the claim that tongues are not needed today. He argues convincingly that tongues are needed and will continue until the return of Jesus Christ. &#160; Completed Scriptures For those dating the cessation of the charismata [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;">The second part of the sixth chapter of the <em>Praying in the Spirit</em> Series. Author Robert Graves continues to examine the claim that tongues are not needed today. He argues convincingly that tongues are needed and will continue until the return of Jesus Christ.</p>
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<div style="width: 243px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/RGraves-PrayingInTheSpirit.jpg" alt="" width="233" height="346" /><p class="wp-caption-text"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/author/robertwgraves/">Robert W. Graves</a> wrote <em>Praying in the Spirit</em> (Chosen Books) in 1987, when it received great reviews from a number of Pentecostal/charismatic scholars and leaders including John Sherrill, Dr. Vinson Synan, Dr. Gordon Fee, Dr. William Menzies, Dr. Howard Ervin, Dr. Walter Martin, and Dr. Stanley Horton. It is the great privilege of the <em>Pneuma Review</em> to republish it here.</p></div>
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<p><strong>Completed Scriptures</strong></p>
<p>For those dating the cessation of the <em>charismata </em>at AD 90-98 and into the second century, the inscribed revelation of the New Testament plays a momentous role—it is indeed the cessation factor. But even among these there is no agreement upon <em>why </em>and <em>when</em>. We go from the New Testament being written, to its being “circulated,” to its being made “available,” to its being “accepted by the Church.”</p>
<p>For some choosing the completed New Testament as the cessation factor, it is only a matter of 1 Corinthians 13:8-13 being fulfilled: “Whether there be tongues, they shall cease … when that which is perfect is come …” (<em>KJV</em>). For these the “perfect” to come is the New Testament, which culminated when the last letter of Holy Writ was penned. But the great majority of commentaries and many cessationists (see <a href="http://pneumareview.com/praying-in-the-spirit-consensus-on-first-corinthians-13-by-non-pentecostal-scholars/">Figure 1</a>) reject this interpretation of 1 Corinthians 13:8-13.</p>
<blockquote><p>Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When J was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;">1 Corinthians 13:8-13</p>
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<p><div class="simplePullQuote"><p><strong><em>The gift of tongues is man pouring out his finite soul as the Spirit gives utterance to a God capable of receiving all and loving enough to accept the totality of man’s expression</em></strong><strong><em>.</em></strong></p>
</div>No passage of Scripture has proved as rich to the debate between Pentecostals and cessationists as these six verses of Paul’s. If the cessationists are right about this passage, the Pentecostal-charismatic doctrine of spiritual gifts dissolves. On the other hand, if the Pentecostal-charismatic interpretation is correct, the continuity of the spiritual gifts between the Apostolic Age and today is clearly and forcefully affirmed. Within these six verses there are eight issues to resolve. In verse 8 there are the issues of the <em>variation </em>and <em>voice </em>of the verbs; in verse 9 there are the issues of the omission of <em>tongues </em>and the nature of the <em>partial</em>; in verse 10 the nature of the <em>perfect </em>is the issue; in verse 11 the illustration of <em>childhood to manhood </em>is the issue; in verse 12 the issue is the interpretation of the <em>mirror </em>illustration; finally, in verse 13 the issue is the meaning of the word translated <em>now</em>.</p>
<p><em>Issue #1</em>: “Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away” (verse 8). There are three notable verbs in this verse: (I) prophecy <em>will cease</em>; (2) tongues <em>will be stilled</em>; (3) knowledge <em>will pass away</em>. In the original Greek the two verbs used with prophecy and knowledge are the same word, <em>katargthsontai</em>, though translated into English differently. The verb used with tongues is a different, related word, <em>pausontai</em>. Based partially upon this variation in word choices, it is argued that tongues will cease <em>before </em>the other two gifts (Baxter, p.64; C. R. Smith, pp. 82-83; Thomas, <em>JETS</em>, p. 81; Toussaint, p.314).</p>
<p>The few cessationists I have heard use this argument offer no proof from other biblical or non-biblical sources that justifies it: The variation of the words does not make a distinction in time. The research of Paul Elbert confirms this. Arguing for charismatic continuity, he has shown from other New Testament passages and from classical Greek that a variation of related verbs does <em>not </em>signal distinctive changes in the meanings of the verb (see Elbert, pp. 30-32). Even cessationist Judisch agrees: “It would be speculative to see any reason for this change [of verbs] beyond literary elegance” (p. 82).</p>
<p><em>Issue #2</em>: Not only is there variation in the verbs in verse 8, there is variation in the <em>voice </em>of the verbs. The word that controls prophecy and knowledge is in the passive voice—“They are being stopped”—whereas the word that controls tongues is in the middle voice, which may mean that the subject acts upon itself—“They shall make themselves cease or automatically cease of themselves” (Robertson, <em>Word</em>, p. 179). This distinction is claimed as proof that tongues were to cease <em>before </em>the other two gifts (Baxter, p. 64; Dillow, p. 113; C. R. Smith, p. 83-84; Thomas, p. 105; Toussaint, pp. 314-3l5).</p>
<p>Actually, it may just as well prove that tongues last <em>longer </em>than prophecy and knowledge, assuming the variation of voice means anything at all. No one who is knowledgeable of the Greek language would say that when passive and middle voice synonyms are grouped together, the action of the middle verb takes place before the action of the passive verb. Furthermore, there is evidence that Paul could not have used the verbs he did in all passives or all middles. The verbs in question (<em>katargēthēsontai</em>, future passive; <em>pausontai</em>, future middle) did not regularly occur in both forms (Ervin, <em>These</em>, p. 218). In addition to this, the research of Elbert, which included the examination of 2,000 examples of the middle voice of “will be stilled,” confirmed the conclusions of other Greek scholars: The middle voice of this verb is used with the passive sense (pp. 26-27).</p>
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		<title>Praying in the Spirit: That Glorious Day When Tongues are Not Needed: Until Then … Part 1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2000 21:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In part 1 of the sixth chapter of the Praying in the Spirit Series, author Robert Graves examines the claim that tongues are not needed today. He argues convincingly that tongues are needed and will continue until the return of Jesus Christ. &#160; “Tongues shall cease.” More than 1,900 years have passed since the apostle [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;">In part 1 of the sixth chapter of the <em>Praying in the Spirit</em> Series, author Robert Graves examines the claim that tongues are not needed today. He argues convincingly that tongues are needed and will continue until the return of Jesus Christ.</p>
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<div style="width: 243px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/RGraves-PrayingInTheSpirit.jpg" alt="" width="233" height="346" /><p class="wp-caption-text"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/author/robertwgraves/">Robert W. Graves</a> wrote <em>Praying in the Spirit</em> (Chosen Books) in 1987, when it received great reviews from a number of Pentecostal/charismatic scholars and leaders including John Sherrill, Dr. Vinson Synan, Dr. Gordon Fee, Dr. William Menzies, Dr. Howard Ervin, Dr. Walter Martin, and Dr. Stanley Horton. It is the great privilege of the <em>Pneuma Review</em> to republish it here.</p></div>
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<p>“Tongues shall cease.” More than 1,900 years have passed since the apostle Paul penned this prediction in a letter to the Corinthians (c. AD 54), and not a few cessationists have argued that the future tense of the verb (cease) is no longer warranted—the use of the past tense is now justifiable, or so the argument goes. Anti-charismatic Robert G. Gromacki concludes his book, “‘Tongues &#8230; shall cease’ (1 Corinthians 13:8). They have” (p. 143). And according to cessationist George Zeller, Paul’s injunction not to forbid tongues “no longer applies today” (p.104).</p>
<p>The Pentecostals and charismatics agree with cessationists that the charismata (spiritual gifts) as described by Paul and Luke are temporary. The disagreement arises when one attempts to determine the factor (and thus arrive at an approximate date) responsible for the cessation of these manifestations of the Spirit. For the charismatic, Scripture, Church history, and personal experience indicate that all of the gifts are to continue through the Church Age. But for the cessationist, the prophetic, miraculous “sign” gifts ceased with the early Church. Some say the cessation was immediate; others claim it occurred over several decades, tapering off gradually.</p>
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<p><strong>Cessationists’ Arguments</strong></p>
<p>The anti-<em>charismata</em> cessationists use, for the most part, four arguments to prove the cessation of tongues: (1) Tongues were a sign; (2) Tongues were revelatory in nature therefore the completion of Scripture ended all revelation; (3) After Paul’s letter to the church at Corinth (AD 54), the New Testament is completely silent on tongues, therefore, they had ceased; (4) Historical writings of church leaders after AD 100 do not indicate a continuance of the charismata.</p>
<p><div class="simplePullQuote"><p><em><strong>God gave His people the gift of tongues because we needed it. We still need it.</strong></em></p>
</div>Thus the conjectures about the date of the cessation usually range from AD 54 (prior to the writing of I Corinthians) to the second century (allowing time for the apostles’ last charismatic disciple to die or the New Testament to become “available” and “circulated”). If this time frame is correct, the most any guess could be off the mark is about 150 years. This estimate is far from being off 1,900 years, a possibility the Pentecostal and charismatic must consider. Likewise, the cessationist must consider the possibility that the charismatic interpretation has validity.</p>
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