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		<title>Response to hard cessationist critic, by Craig Keener</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; Craig S. Keener responds to a critic’s comment posted on his statement about the relationship between anti-supernaturalism and cessationism. &#160; &#160; I find here, as in the book to which I originally responded, some strange lumping together of all charismatics’ beliefs to the detriment of any particular charismatic. What prompted me to write the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p><em>Craig S. Keener responds to a critic’s comment posted on his <a href="http://pneumareview.com/craig-keener-on-anti-supernaturalism-and-cessationism">statement about the relationship between anti-supernaturalism and cessationism</a>.</em></p></blockquote>
<p align="center"><span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/excerpts-from-miracles-by-craig-keener/" target="_self" class="bk-button blue center rounded small">Excerpts from <em>Miracles</em> by Craig S. Keener</a></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/are-pentecostals-offering-strange-fire/" target="_self" class="bk-button yellow center rounded large">Are Pentecostals offering Strange Fire? (Panel Discussion)</a></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/john-macarthurs-strange-fire-reviewed-by-craig-s-keener/" target="_self" class="bk-button yellow center rounded small">John MacArthur’s <em>Strange Fire</em>, reviewed by Craig S. Keener</a></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/rtkendall-holy-fire-ckeener/" target="_self" class="bk-button blue center rounded small">R.T. Kendall’s <em>Holy Fire</em> reviewed by Craig S. Keener</a></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/craig-keener-on-anti-supernaturalism-and-cessationism/" target="_self" class="bk-button green center rounded small">Craig S. Keener on Anti-supernaturalism and Cessationism</a></span></p>
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<p>I find <a href="http://pneumareview.com/craig-keener-on-anti-supernaturalism-and-cessationism/#comment-35557">here</a>, <a href="http://pneumareview.com/john-macarthurs-strange-fire-reviewed-by-craig-s-keener/">as in the book to which I originally responded</a>, some strange lumping together of all charismatics’ beliefs to the detriment of any particular charismatic. What prompted me to write the review to begin with was a prominent figure’s extreme claim that the vast majority of charismatics are not saved, the implication that Pentecostals are a cult, and the claim that charismatic scholars have contributed nothing to scholarship. Cessationist and charismatic Christians often work together for the furtherance of the gospel; certainly I work with both. But when someone levels charges so outrageously polemical, it merits a strong response.</p>
<p>I took the time away from my exegetical work, and cannot do again in the near future, as between teaching and research I am embarrassingly far behind even on answering emails. Nevertheless, I took time to respond to the charge raised in the critic’s post partly because of another polemical statement: “Unconvinced that Keener is qualified to respond biblically and objectively.” In case someone could not tell based on my commentaries, most of my average day is spent working on Scripture and its context (and most of the exegesis is not distinctively charismatic; in fact, neither is much of the <em><a href="http://pneumareview.com/excerpts-from-miracles-by-craig-keener/">Miracles</a></em> book).</p>
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<p><strong>Misconstruals of the original post</strong></p>
<p>I have never claimed that moderate cessationists deny miracles today; in fact I stated the opposite. I recognize that moderate cessationists deny particular kinds of gifts rather than that God continues to sovereignly work miracles where he wills. Someone who has honestly read what I said will recognize that I myself agree “that God sovereignly heals when and how He chooses to.”</p>
<p>Furthermore, though I disagree with moderate cessationists about gifts, I agree with them that God sovereignly works miracles where he wills; we cannot generate or control them. One will also not find anywhere that I make the following claim that the post attributes to me: “does not follow <em>how</em> faith-healers can claim to work mass healings to the tune of thousands of people <strong>-</strong> which they themselves insist happens.” There are areas in the world where massive numbers of people are being healed, but this happens as often when they hear the gospel or see the Jesus Film as well as when they are specifically prayed for, and these massive cases for the sake of the gospel have to do with God sovereignly reaching a new area and not only with the agents that God sometimes chooses to use. I have explicitly affirmed God’s sovereignty in healing and criticized the prosperity teaching and its associated beliefs, so I am bewildered by the assumption that I doubt that miracles are God’s sovereign acts.</p>
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		<title>Cessationist Misuse of Ephesians 2:20, by Sam Storms</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samuel Storms]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the on-going dialogue between cessationists and continuationists there is a passage that the former almost always mention. It is, in many instances, their go-to text, their trump card, so to speak. But a close look at Ephesians 2:20 will demonstrate that it fails to accomplish what the cessationist desires. Paul writes: “So then you [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the on-going dialogue between cessationists and continuationists there is a passage that the former almost always mention. It is, in many instances, their go-to text, their trump card, so to speak. But a close look at Ephesians 2:20 will demonstrate that it fails to accomplish what the cessationist desires. Paul writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>“So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone” (Eph. 2:19-20).</p></blockquote>
<p>The cessationist insists that, according to the analogy Paul employs, apostles and prophets belong to the period of the foundation, not the superstructure. That is to say, these two groups and their respective gifts were designed by God to operate only during the early years of the church’s existence in order to lay the once-for-all foundation.</p>
<p>At the Strange Fire conference, in his session devoted to articulating arguments for cessationism, Tom Pennington stated that “once the apostles and prophets finished their role in laying the foundation of the church, their gifts were completed,” which is to say, they ceased to function and eventually ceased to exist altogether.</p>
<p>But several things must be noted.</p>
<div style="width: 262px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/284452439_6401.jpg" alt="" width="252" height="106" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Sam Storms</p></div>
<p>The cessationist argument fails to take note of vv. 21-22 where Paul refers to the superstructure of the church as under construction, so to speak, as he speaks/writes (note the consistent use of the present tenses in vv. 21-22). In other words, the apostles and prophets of v. 20, among whom was Paul, were also contributing to the superstructure, of which the Ephesians were a contemporary part, simultaneous with their laying the foundation on which it was being built. We must be careful not to push the metaphor beyond what Paul intended by it.</p>
<p>To use an analogy, once a man establishes a company, writes its by-laws, articulates its vision, hires employees, and does all the work essential in laying the foundation for its future work and productivity, he does not necessarily cease to exist or to serve the company in other capacities. As Jack Deere points out, &#8220;the founding director of a company or corporation will always be unique in the sense that he or she was the founder, but that does not mean the company would not have future directors or presidents&#8221; (<em>Surprised by the Power of the Spirit</em>, 248).</p>
<p>Furthermore, on the cessationist’s view, all NT prophets functioned foundationally. But there is nothing to suggest that &#8220;the prophets&#8221; in Ephesians 2:20 is an exhaustive reference to all possible prophets in the church. Why should we conclude that the only kind of prophetic activity is &#8220;foundational&#8221; in nature, especially in light of what the NT says about the extent and effect of prophetic ministry? It simply isn&#8217;t possible to believe that all prophetic utterances were part of the once-for-all foundation of the church. For one thing, the NT nowhere says they were. For another, it portrays prophetic ministry in an entirely different light from the one most cessationists attempt to deduce from Ephesians 2:20. Surely not everyone who ministered prophetically was apostolic. Therefore, the cessation of the latter is no argument for the cessation of the former.</p>
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		<title>Frank Macchia on the Gifts of God to the Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Macchia]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pentecostals and Reformed affirming the value of all of the New Testament Gifts Frank Macchia In the context of this hoopla over cessationism, it might be interesting to see how the issue of spiritual gifts was dealt with in the first round of international talks between the World Alliance of Reformed Churches and the Pentecostals [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="http://pneumareview.com/are-pentecostals-offering-strange-fire/" target="_self" class="bk-button yellow center rounded large">Are Pentecostals offering Strange Fire? (Panel Discussion)</a></span>
<p><strong>Pentecostals and Reformed affirming the value of all of the New Testament Gifts</strong><br />
<em>Frank Macchia</em></p>
<p>In the context of this hoopla over cessationism, it might be interesting to see how the issue of spiritual gifts was dealt with in the first round of international talks between the World Alliance of Reformed Churches and the Pentecostals (of which I was a participant). We agreed together that all of the gifts from the New Testament have value today, but that both global church families tended to favor different lists of gifts from the New Testament. In response, we affirmed that no single list of gifts is to be held up as all determinative for judging the quality of a church&#8217;s spirituality and that both sides must expand its horizons by embracing the value of the gifts cherished by the other side. Here&#8217;s the important paragraphs, a joint statement shared by both sides:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The participants in this Dialogue affirm that the gifts of God to the Church are real, the Holy Spirit is the Giver of gifts to the Church, and the gifts are given to the Church to work together for the common good. Reformed as well as many Pentecostal churches acknowledge that their understanding of the Spirit’s gifts is broader than the classic list of spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 12:8-10&#8230; As we, the Reformed and Pentecostal participants in this Dialogue, have reflected on the biblical texts and the life of the Church, we have been convinced that no single gift or set of gifts is normative for every believer, every congregation or every church in every time, or place. We share the conviction that gifts are not permanent possessions of believers or congregations, for the Spirit gives various gifts at different places as those gifts are needed. We also agree that no biblical listing of gifts is a template to be laid over the entire Church. On the one hand, we recognize that many Pentecostals limit the gifts of the Holy Spirit to those mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:8-10. They do not value the charismatic nature of those mentioned elsewhere in the Bible (Cf. 1 Corinthians 12:27-30; Romans 12:3-8; Ephesians 4:11; 1 Peter 4:10-11). On the other hand, many Reformed Christians recognize the theoretical possibility that the gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:8-10 might somewhere be appropriately exercised, but normally they do not encourage or even sanction them to be exercised in their own services. In addition, there are those in both traditions who value one gift over the contribution of another, or who seem to limit the Holy Spirit’s sovereign distribution of gifts&#8230; It is our mutual conclusion that these positions are ultimately no less than concessions to the reality of our separated existence as Christian churches. We believe that those who embrace these positions, or elevate their status by giving voice to them in doctrinal or political statements, must be challenged to recognize their limitations. They need to be asked to broaden their understanding of the gifts, which the Holy Spirit desires to give to the Church. Only in so doing can they enter fully into the life of the Church as the body of Christ. Only in so doing can they participate in what it means to be a priesthood of all believers. Only in so doing can they experience the fullness of what Joel prophesied, and Peter proclaimed on the Day of Pentecost, that God’s Spirit would be poured out on all flesh, thereby equipping them to participate in God’s work in the world.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>(#54-55, 57, Word and Word and Spirit, Church and World, The Final Report of the International Dialogue between Representatives of the World Alliance of Reformed Churches And Some Classical Pentecostal Churches and Leaders 1996-2000).</p>
<p>(PS- there was not a cessationist among them)</p>
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<p><img class="wp-image-561 alignright" src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Frank-Macchia.jpg" alt="Frank-Macchia" width="67" height="90" /><strong>Frank D. Macchia</strong>, ThD (University of Basel, Switzerland) is professor of theology at Vanguard University in Costa Mesa, California. He has served as president of the Society of Pentecostal Studies and is a member of the Faith and Order Commission of the National Council of Churches. Frank is senior editor of <em>Pneuma: The Journal for the Society of Pentecostal Studies</em>.</p>
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		<title>Recent Cessationist Arguments: Has the Storm Center Moved?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Poirier]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; John C. Poirier looks at recent trends regarding those Christians who say the supernatural gifts of the Spirit have ceased, and what their arguments are today. &#160; As I write this, cessationism is in the news for an apparent slippage in its subscription base: on June 1, 2007, the Research Division of LifeWay (the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>John C. Poirier looks at recent trends regarding those Christians who say the supernatural gifts of the Spirit have ceased, and what their arguments are today.</p></blockquote>
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<div style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/300px-Hurricane_Isabel_from_ISS.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="199" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Hurricane Isabel (2003) as seen from the International Space Station. Image: Wikimedia Commons</p></div>
<p>As I write this, cessationism is in the news for an apparent slippage in its subscription base: on June 1, 2007, the Research Division of LifeWay (the former Baptist Sunday School Board) released a study indicating that 50% of Southern Baptist pastors believe that God has given a “private prayer language” to some people. Wanting to mitigate the damage of this news, cessationists immediately questioned the way LifeWay worded the corresponding question in its poll (see Yarnell 2007b), but the question as it was actually asked seems to be well written: “Do you believe that the Holy Spirit gives some people the gift of a special language to pray to God privately? Some people refer to this as a Private Prayer Language or the ‘private use of tongues.’” Certainly, most fair-minded reviewers will have a hard time believing that anyone misunderstood the question in any way. The poll, I take it, is probably right in what it suggests: that the traditional cessationist arguments are losing their hold. But that, I submit, is something that the cessationists themselves had already noticed, even if they (like everyone else) were genuinely surprised by the poll.</p>
<p><div class="simplePullQuote"><p><strong><em>“Do you believe that the Holy Spirit gives some people the gift of a special language to pray to God privately?”</em></strong></p>
</div>One does not need a poll to see that a change has taken place. If recent arguments for a cessationist understanding of the gifts of the Spirit are any indication, there has been a remarkable shift in the strategies and concerns of cessationists, a shift that would seem to indicate that Pentecostals and other continualists have finally (!) won the battle over the correct interpretation of 1 Corinthians 13. The issue with the obsolescence of tongues has always been one of timing: What is meant by “when that which is perfect has come”? In the past, cessationists have claimed that this refers to the Bible, but the problems with this view are perhaps too obvious for a new generation of readers. If Paul was referring to the arrival of a “New Testament,” then he was speaking utter bathos both from his own perspective (seeing that he had no idea that there would ever be a New Testament) and from the Corinthians’ perspective (as it is even more problematic to assume that the Corinthians would have understood “that which is perfect” to refer to some future closing of a further canon of Scripture). In other words, the cessationist reading of 1 Corinthians 13 requires that Paul was writing about something that he knew nothing about (prophetically, of course), and that he was writing to people who also did not know (but for whom their not knowing was trivial enough to warrant Paul <em>not </em>giving them any illumination on the matter, almost as if Paul was not even writing to them). The only way to get around that conundrum is to assume that somehow Paul <em>did</em> know that there would be a New Testament, and that he had explained that to the Corinthians at some earlier time. My own guess is that a new generation of readers has recognized that that was a pretty tall order, and that the continualist reading of 1 Corinthians 13 makes a lot more sense: the more natural way of interpreting “that which is perfect” is to see it as a reference to the <em>parousia</em>. That is more consistent with Pauline theology in general, and has been the way (B. B. Warfield and his followers notwithstanding) that 1 Corinthians has been read throughout history. And certainly the <em>parousia</em> makes for a better referent of “then we shall see face to face” (v. 12). It is asking a bit much to suggest that, with the arrival of the completed New Testament, Christians were made able to see “face to face.”</p>
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