Comments on: Peter Althouse: Wesleyan and Reformed Impulses in the Keswick and Pentecostal Movements https://pneumareview.com/peter-althouse-wesleyan-and-reformed-impulses-in-the-keswick-and-pentecostal-movements/ Journal of Ministry Resources and Theology for Pentecostal and Charismatic Ministries & Leaders Wed, 06 Jun 2018 18:30:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.38 By: Pneuma Review https://pneumareview.com/peter-althouse-wesleyan-and-reformed-impulses-in-the-keswick-and-pentecostal-movements/#comment-35900 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 17:23:53 +0000 http://pneumareview.com/?p=5694#comment-35900 J.M. wrote: “In this article B. B. Warfield is identified as a Baptist minister. I believe you will find that he was Presbyterian.” Peter Althouse responded: “Your correspondence is correct. Warfield was Presbyterian in the broadly Reformed tradition. It’s been over [20] years since I first wrote the paper but my suspicion is that I was thinking T. T. Shields when I inserted Baptist.”

]]> By: Paul L. King https://pneumareview.com/peter-althouse-wesleyan-and-reformed-impulses-in-the-keswick-and-pentecostal-movements/#comment-35459 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 19:59:19 +0000 http://pneumareview.com/?p=5694#comment-35459 In an otherwise excellent survey of Keswick connections with Pentecostalism, I have to take issue with one statement, which has been frequently erroneously perpetuated: ‘Both Simpson and Gordon adopted Keswick positions on sanctification, though strictly speaking they also influenced by the Oberlin school. ” For the record, as a Christian and Missionary Alliance theologian and historian, I need to correct the notion that Simpson and the C&MA were “Keswick.” That is simply not true. They could be described as kissing cousins of Keswick, but Simpson clearly opposed the Keswick view of suppressionism, as well as the Wesleyan view of eradicationism. Many parallels and similarities can be found between Simpson and Keswick, but Simpson also distanced himself from Keswick. Tozer notes this too in his writings about Simpson and the Alliance. Simpson’s view was rather than the old man being suppressed, the presence of the indwelling Christ within raises the believer above the old life–the law of lift overcoming the law of gravity. Some Keswick leaders like Andrew Murray and Oswald Chambers also use this language, rather than the language of suppression. Gordon’s theology is not as clear, but he nowhere uses the expression of suppressionism (that I can find). He was a close friend of Simpson and does quote Murray about the Spirit lifting us above the old life. Simpson is not so much influenced by Oberlin as by Boardman, although he is his own man. Simpson and the C&MA would talk about the “sanctifying baptism in the Spirit”, conflating the crisis of sanctification and the empowering of the Spirit together as one experience (that could be repeated in “second Pentecosts” or “deeper and fuller baptisms”) However, this sanctifying baptism was neither eradication nor suppression, but an intensifying of the sanctification begun a conversion, and continues following as an intensified process. Richard Lovelace expressed it as “a large leap forward in progressive sanctification.”

]]> By: Charles Page https://pneumareview.com/peter-althouse-wesleyan-and-reformed-impulses-in-the-keswick-and-pentecostal-movements/#comment-35456 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:59:17 +0000 http://pneumareview.com/?p=5694#comment-35456 The late Donald Bowdle was Reformed Keswick as he related to me in personal discussions. Anyone in the CoG who is knowledgeable of their theology can explain the difference between Hollis Gause and French Arrington with Donald Bowdle and Keswick theology. or is there a difference.

I do understand that Keswick has had a greater impact on forming AoG theology.

]]> By: Bibliata TV https://pneumareview.com/peter-althouse-wesleyan-and-reformed-impulses-in-the-keswick-and-pentecostal-movements/#comment-35455 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 10:44:31 +0000 http://pneumareview.com/?p=5694#comment-35455 Traditionally, we have assigned our faith paradigm to the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. But Pentecostal faith is much simpler and straight forward. The Pentecostal experience simplified the way we see our faith, being less in our own reach and persecution of reality, and more in God’s control; less me-centered and more God-centered. Although it originates from Wesley’s renewal theology of sanctification, Pentecostals are not methodistic as Wesleyanism tends to be. With this in mind, I wrote Pentecostal Primitivism as a proposal for a 21st century reclaiming of the original model of Pentecostal faith, which could be described in the simplified triangular formula of power, prayer and praxis (See link for the book http://cupandcross.com/why-i-decided-to-publish-pentecostal-primitivism/)

]]> By: Donald W. Dayton https://pneumareview.com/peter-althouse-wesleyan-and-reformed-impulses-in-the-keswick-and-pentecostal-movements/#comment-35453 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 03:14:21 +0000 http://pneumareview.com/?p=5694#comment-35453 Sorry, I had a senior moment and didn’t get my citation right. It is Thomas Farkas, William Durham and the sanctification controversy… (SBTS, 1993)

]]> By: Donald W. Dayton https://pneumareview.com/peter-althouse-wesleyan-and-reformed-impulses-in-the-keswick-and-pentecostal-movements/#comment-35450 Sat, 21 Jun 2014 05:00:38 +0000 http://pneumareview.com/?p=5694#comment-35450 Enjoyed the essay. I am not sure Durham’s doctrine of sanctification was “Keswick.”. Larry Farakas in his dissertation describes it as “Zinzendorfian.”. How do you explain the fact that the AG article on sanctification bears the title till mid-20th “entire sanctification”?

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