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	<title>Comments on: Frank Macchia&#8217;s Justified in the Spirit, reviewed by John Poirier</title>
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		<title>By: Bibliata TV</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-35196</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not quite sure  that the critique is offered from a lack of knowledge, but again the author may do a much better job explaining why...
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		<title>By: Don Kammer</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-35192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Kammer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I posted the below comment on Facebook last month regarding this book review.  I don&#039;t believe the reviewer grasps the significance of the Macchia book, especially its subtle role as a refined bridge to ecumenical dialogue, grafting a brilliant pneumatological perspective into the long standing theological debate on justification within Christian churches.  

I wrote: The review might have been more positive, especially when one considers comments of scholars, such as....University of Tubingen theologian Jurgen Moltmann who commented, &quot;it is a necessary and new perspective to see the justification of the sinner embraced by the life-giving Spirit. Frank Macchia&#039;s book is a great step forward toward a full Trinitarian concept of salvation....A rich book full of solutions to old theological problems.&quot; Macchia also secured three other systematic theologians to add comments pointing to a bridge and portent of a Spirit oriented theology of justification securing a solution to the old justification problem which divides and defines both Catholic and Protestant doctrine. Pentecostal, Veli-Matti Karkkainen from Fuller and Helsinki, Lutheran, William G Rusch from Yale Divinity, and Catholic, Ralph Del Colle are three systematic theologians who offer very positive reviews too. Honestly, I think this book is one of the best bridges to a Pentecostal theology, which of course means experience, that I&#039;ve seen in decades. So, I am quite taken at the failure of the review to see this.&quot;  

Lastly, I strongly urge scholars and thinkers on the fringe of the ever growing and wildly divergent Pentecostal-charismatic universe to give this book a shot. It communicates in an irenic vernacular, which joins the ancient intellectual struggle of the faithful to understand our relationship to the All Mighty.  Indeed, Justified in the Spirit will continue to have increasing relevance as these burgeoning movements of the Spirit mature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the below comment on Facebook last month regarding this book review.  I don&#8217;t believe the reviewer grasps the significance of the Macchia book, especially its subtle role as a refined bridge to ecumenical dialogue, grafting a brilliant pneumatological perspective into the long standing theological debate on justification within Christian churches.  </p>
<p>I wrote: The review might have been more positive, especially when one considers comments of scholars, such as&#8230;.University of Tubingen theologian Jurgen Moltmann who commented, &#8220;it is a necessary and new perspective to see the justification of the sinner embraced by the life-giving Spirit. Frank Macchia&#8217;s book is a great step forward toward a full Trinitarian concept of salvation&#8230;.A rich book full of solutions to old theological problems.&#8221; Macchia also secured three other systematic theologians to add comments pointing to a bridge and portent of a Spirit oriented theology of justification securing a solution to the old justification problem which divides and defines both Catholic and Protestant doctrine. Pentecostal, Veli-Matti Karkkainen from Fuller and Helsinki, Lutheran, William G Rusch from Yale Divinity, and Catholic, Ralph Del Colle are three systematic theologians who offer very positive reviews too. Honestly, I think this book is one of the best bridges to a Pentecostal theology, which of course means experience, that I&#8217;ve seen in decades. So, I am quite taken at the failure of the review to see this.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Lastly, I strongly urge scholars and thinkers on the fringe of the ever growing and wildly divergent Pentecostal-charismatic universe to give this book a shot. It communicates in an irenic vernacular, which joins the ancient intellectual struggle of the faithful to understand our relationship to the All Mighty.  Indeed, Justified in the Spirit will continue to have increasing relevance as these burgeoning movements of the Spirit mature.</p>
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		<title>By: William Molenaar</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-35193</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Macchia hides nothing. Poirier must not be familiar with Macchia&#039;s earlier work in 2006, Baptized in the Spirit, where Macchia has already written a whole book dedicated to addressing all of Poirier&#039;s concerns (which Macchia points to his earlier work for further clarification in Justified by the Spirit). So, Poirier&#039;s critique is due to his lack of familiarity with Macchia&#039;s previous book. 

I find Macchia&#039;s actual arguments in this book, Justified in the Spirit, compelling. Poirier is also wrong about Macchia, when he says, &quot;It appears that Macchia doesn’t so much find an increased role for the Spirit within the Christian doctrine of justification, but rather that he increases the territory covered by that doctrine until it includes the Spirit.&quot; It&#039;s just the opposite (and I don&#039;t see how Poirier missed this), its precisely because Macchia finds an increased role for the Spirit in the doctrine of justification (in Scripture, and some significant theologians in the past have as well--which he demonstrates), that he increases the territory covered by that doctrine (traditional Catholic and traditional Reformed formulations) until it includes the Spirit!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macchia hides nothing. Poirier must not be familiar with Macchia&#8217;s earlier work in 2006, Baptized in the Spirit, where Macchia has already written a whole book dedicated to addressing all of Poirier&#8217;s concerns (which Macchia points to his earlier work for further clarification in Justified by the Spirit). So, Poirier&#8217;s critique is due to his lack of familiarity with Macchia&#8217;s previous book. </p>
<p>I find Macchia&#8217;s actual arguments in this book, Justified in the Spirit, compelling. Poirier is also wrong about Macchia, when he says, &#8220;It appears that Macchia doesn’t so much find an increased role for the Spirit within the Christian doctrine of justification, but rather that he increases the territory covered by that doctrine until it includes the Spirit.&#8221; It&#8217;s just the opposite (and I don&#8217;t see how Poirier missed this), its precisely because Macchia finds an increased role for the Spirit in the doctrine of justification (in Scripture, and some significant theologians in the past have as well&#8211;which he demonstrates), that he increases the territory covered by that doctrine (traditional Catholic and traditional Reformed formulations) until it includes the Spirit!</p>
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		<title>By: Pneuma Review</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-35194</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are pleased to hear from Frank Macchia, who responded to Monte Rice&#039;s comment about the review by John Poirier:

&quot;Thanks for posting this Monte; I wasn&#039;t aware of it. The author asks thoughtful and legitimate questions. His two main concerns seem to be: 1) Do I &#039;hide&#039; from the reader the significance of &#039;subsequence&#039; with regard to Spirit baptism? 2) Do I expand the terrain of justification too broadly? As to the first, I do not gloss over the issue of subsequence; I deal with it. My only point is that an emphasis on this issue often serves to &#039;hide&#039; a deeper distinctive that I myself was somewhat surprised to find in my research, namely, how fundamentally pneumatological pentecostal soteriology was from the beginning (including how Pentecostals tended to write about justification). Spirit baptism ends up casting its light backwards and forwards so as to enlighten how Pentecostals viewed the entire Christian life (as a life turned into a vessel of the Spirit in the world). Second, I do not so much expand justification as resist the compartmentalization of various soteriological categories; they are all overlapping and mutually enlightening. Barth has influenced me to think in such expansive theological categories. But my case is most basically informed exegetically (as the author of the review admits and likes). So I guess if someone disagrees, they will need to do so by dealing with my exegesis. Of course, I am happy to have this conversation.&quot;

It is a real privilege to hear back from authors and PneumaReview.com invites readers to join the conversation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are pleased to hear from Frank Macchia, who responded to Monte Rice&#8217;s comment about the review by John Poirier:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thanks for posting this Monte; I wasn&#8217;t aware of it. The author asks thoughtful and legitimate questions. His two main concerns seem to be: 1) Do I &#8216;hide&#8217; from the reader the significance of &#8216;subsequence&#8217; with regard to Spirit baptism? 2) Do I expand the terrain of justification too broadly? As to the first, I do not gloss over the issue of subsequence; I deal with it. My only point is that an emphasis on this issue often serves to &#8216;hide&#8217; a deeper distinctive that I myself was somewhat surprised to find in my research, namely, how fundamentally pneumatological pentecostal soteriology was from the beginning (including how Pentecostals tended to write about justification). Spirit baptism ends up casting its light backwards and forwards so as to enlighten how Pentecostals viewed the entire Christian life (as a life turned into a vessel of the Spirit in the world). Second, I do not so much expand justification as resist the compartmentalization of various soteriological categories; they are all overlapping and mutually enlightening. Barth has influenced me to think in such expansive theological categories. But my case is most basically informed exegetically (as the author of the review admits and likes). So I guess if someone disagrees, they will need to do so by dealing with my exegesis. Of course, I am happy to have this conversation.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a real privilege to hear back from authors and PneumaReview.com invites readers to join the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Pneuma Review</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-35195</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monte Lee Rice wrote: &quot;If I have more immediate time, I would write a more &#039;pro-Macchian&#039; review on Frank Macchia&#039;s book, but nonetheless, John Poirier&#039;s review provides some opportunity to hear and dialogue with a more critical yet thoughtful perspective.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monte Lee Rice wrote: &#8220;If I have more immediate time, I would write a more &#8216;pro-Macchian&#8217; review on Frank Macchia&#8217;s book, but nonetheless, John Poirier&#8217;s review provides some opportunity to hear and dialogue with a more critical yet thoughtful perspective.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pneuma Review</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-4654</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for adding joining the conversation, Don Kammer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for adding joining the conversation, Don Kammer.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Kammer</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-4527</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Kammer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I posted the below comment on Facebook last month regarding this very limited effort at a book review.  I don&#039;t believe the reviewer grasps the significance of the Macchia book, especially its subtle role as a refined bridge to ecumenical dialogue, grafting a brilliant pneumatological perspective into the long standing theological debate on justification within Christian churches.  

I wrote: The review might have been more positive, especially when one considers comments of scholars, such as....University of Tubingen theologian Jurgen Moltmann who commented, &quot;it is a necessary and new perspective to see the justification of the sinner embraced by the life-giving Spirit. Frank Macchia&#039;s book is a great step forward toward a full Trinitarian concept of salvation....A rich book full of solutions to old theological problems.&quot; Macchia also secured three other systematic theologians to add comments pointing to a bridge and portent of a Spirit oriented theology of justification securing a solution to the old justification problem which divides and defines both Catholic and Protestant doctrine. Pentecostal, Veli-Matti Karkkainen from Fuller and Helsinki, Lutheran, William G Rusch from Yale Divinity, and Catholic, Ralph Del Colle are three systematic theologians who offer very positive reviews too. Honestly, I think this book is one of the best bridges to a Pentecostal theology, which of course means experience, that I&#039;ve seen in decades. So, I am quite taken at the failure of the review to see this.&quot;  

Lastly, I strongly urge scholars and thinkers on the fringe of the ever growing and wildly divergent Pentecostal-charismatic universe to give this book a shot. It communicates in an irenic vernacular, which joins the ancient intellectual struggle of the faithful to understand our relationship to All Mighty.  Indeed, Justified in the Spirit will continue to have increasing relevance as these burgeoning movements of the Spirit mature.    
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the below comment on Facebook last month regarding this very limited effort at a book review.  I don&#039;t believe the reviewer grasps the significance of the Macchia book, especially its subtle role as a refined bridge to ecumenical dialogue, grafting a brilliant pneumatological perspective into the long standing theological debate on justification within Christian churches.  </p>
<p>I wrote: The review might have been more positive, especially when one considers comments of scholars, such as&#8230;.University of Tubingen theologian Jurgen Moltmann who commented, &quot;it is a necessary and new perspective to see the justification of the sinner embraced by the life-giving Spirit. Frank Macchia&#039;s book is a great step forward toward a full Trinitarian concept of salvation&#8230;.A rich book full of solutions to old theological problems.&quot; Macchia also secured three other systematic theologians to add comments pointing to a bridge and portent of a Spirit oriented theology of justification securing a solution to the old justification problem which divides and defines both Catholic and Protestant doctrine. Pentecostal, Veli-Matti Karkkainen from Fuller and Helsinki, Lutheran, William G Rusch from Yale Divinity, and Catholic, Ralph Del Colle are three systematic theologians who offer very positive reviews too. Honestly, I think this book is one of the best bridges to a Pentecostal theology, which of course means experience, that I&#039;ve seen in decades. So, I am quite taken at the failure of the review to see this.&quot;  </p>
<p>Lastly, I strongly urge scholars and thinkers on the fringe of the ever growing and wildly divergent Pentecostal-charismatic universe to give this book a shot. It communicates in an irenic vernacular, which joins the ancient intellectual struggle of the faithful to understand our relationship to All Mighty.  Indeed, Justified in the Spirit will continue to have increasing relevance as these burgeoning movements of the Spirit mature.    </p>
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		<title>By: Pneuma Review</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-4109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pneuma Review]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 00:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are pleased to hear from Frank Macchia, who responded to Monte Rice&#039;s comment about the review by John Poirier:

&quot;Thanks for posting this Monte; I wasn&#039;t aware of it. The author asks thoughtful and legitimate questions. His two main concerns seem to be: 1) Do I &#039;hide&#039; from the reader the significance of &#039;subsequence&#039; with regard to Spirit baptism? 2) Do I expand the terrain of justification too broadly? As to the first, I do not gloss over the issue of subsequence; I deal with it. My only point is that an emphasis on this issue often serves to &#039;hide&#039; a deeper distinctive that I myself was somewhat surprised to find in my research, namely, how fundamentally pneumatological pentecostal soteriology was from the beginning (including how Pentecostals tended to write about justification). Spirit baptism ends up casting its light backwards and forwards so as to enlighten how Pentecostals viewed the entire Christian life (as a life turned into a vessel of the Spirit in the world). Second, I do not so much expand justification as resist the compartmentalization of various soteriological categories; they are all overlapping and mutually enlightening. Barth has influenced me to think in such expansive theological categories. But my case is most basically informed exegetically (as the author of the review admits and likes). So I guess if someone disagrees, they will need to do so by dealing with my exegesis. Of course, I am happy to have this conversation.&quot;

It is a real privilege to hear back from authors and PneumaReview.com invites readers to join the conversation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are pleased to hear from Frank Macchia, who responded to Monte Rice&#039;s comment about the review by John Poirier:</p>
<p>&quot;Thanks for posting this Monte; I wasn&#039;t aware of it. The author asks thoughtful and legitimate questions. His two main concerns seem to be: 1) Do I &#039;hide&#039; from the reader the significance of &#039;subsequence&#039; with regard to Spirit baptism? 2) Do I expand the terrain of justification too broadly? As to the first, I do not gloss over the issue of subsequence; I deal with it. My only point is that an emphasis on this issue often serves to &#039;hide&#039; a deeper distinctive that I myself was somewhat surprised to find in my research, namely, how fundamentally pneumatological pentecostal soteriology was from the beginning (including how Pentecostals tended to write about justification). Spirit baptism ends up casting its light backwards and forwards so as to enlighten how Pentecostals viewed the entire Christian life (as a life turned into a vessel of the Spirit in the world). Second, I do not so much expand justification as resist the compartmentalization of various soteriological categories; they are all overlapping and mutually enlightening. Barth has influenced me to think in such expansive theological categories. But my case is most basically informed exegetically (as the author of the review admits and likes). So I guess if someone disagrees, they will need to do so by dealing with my exegesis. Of course, I am happy to have this conversation.&quot;</p>
<p>It is a real privilege to hear back from authors and PneumaReview.com invites readers to join the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Pneuma Review</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-4108</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 00:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monte Lee Rice wrote: &quot;If I have more immediate time, I would write a more &#039;pro-Macchian&#039; review on Frank Macchia&#039;s book, but nonetheless, John Poirier&#039;s review provides some opportunity to hear and dialogue with a more critical yet thoughtful perspective.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monte Lee Rice wrote: &quot;If I have more immediate time, I would write a more &#039;pro-Macchian&#039; review on Frank Macchia&#039;s book, but nonetheless, John Poirier&#039;s review provides some opportunity to hear and dialogue with a more critical yet thoughtful perspective.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Bibliata TV</title>
		<link>https://pneumareview.com/fmacchia-justified-in-the-spirit/#comment-3860</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not quite sure  that the critique is offered from a lack of knowledge, but again the author may do a much better job explaining why...
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