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		<description><![CDATA[Edward Irving’s Incarnational Christology: A Theological Examination of Irving’s Notion of Christ’s Sinful Flesh as it relates to the Fullness of the Incarnation This is the third of a three-part series by Trevor Martindale. He gives us an in-depth look at how Edward Irving, one of the 19th Century’s most important church leaders, understood the [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Edward Irving’s Incarnational Christology: A Theological Examination of Irving’s Notion of Christ’s Sinful Flesh as it relates to the Fullness of the Incarnation</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="pneumareview.com/edward-irvings-incarnational-christology-part-1/" target="_blank" class="bk-button black left rounded small">Edward Irving&#8217;s Incarnational Christology, Part 1</a></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="pneumareview.com/edward-irvings-incarnational-christology-part-2/" target="_blank" class="bk-button black left rounded small">Edward Irving&#8217;s Incarnational Christology, Part 2</a></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/TMartindale-EdwardIrvingIncarnationalChristology-P3.jpg" alt="" width="458" height="301" /> <em>This is the third of a three-part series by Trevor Martindale. He gives us an in-depth look at how Edward Irving, one of the 19<sup>th</sup> Century’s most important church leaders, understood the meaning of God coming in the flesh. What does that controversy have to teach us today?</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Part Three: Assessing Irving&#8217;s Orthodoxy</strong></p>
<blockquote><p><em>“In my humble opinion, if the common interpretation of the Bible is to be followed, our friend [Edward Irving] is perfectly right, nay indubitably and palpably so: at all events, the gainsayers are utterly, hopelessly, and stone-blindly wrong.”</em><a href="#_ftnref1" name="_ftn1">[1]</a><em> ~ Thomas Carlyle</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Now that the framework of Irving’s theological views upholding his notion of Christ’s sinful flesh has been presented, this chapter evaluates his views in light of a wider perspective; by considering his historical position within the development of contemporary theology. The viability of his views will be assessed on this basis.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>3.1.    Questioning Irving’s Heterodoxy</strong></p>
<p>The initial obstacle to the task of assessing Irving’s orthodoxy regards the question of how the notion of ‘heresy’ is to be approached. In Irving’s day, heresy was certainly thought of as “teaching that is regarded as [being] contrary to the basic confession of the church in some central point or points, such that the confession is endangered by it.”<a href="#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2">[2]</a> A heretic was, therefore, a Christian whose divergent stance with regard to the faith involuntarily bars him from the path of salvation.<a href="#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3">[3]</a> Yet such treatment of this issue has recently attracted stern criticism.</p>
<p>Post-modernity has produced increasingly anti-authoritarian attitudes towards the established church. This has resulted in orthodoxy being understood as a dogma that is imposed on people by a coercive authority while a heretic is understood to be a victim of suppression by an intolerant church.<a href="#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4">[4]</a> Walter Bauer’s thesis on <em>Orthodoxy and Heresy in Earliest Christianity</em> argues that there were many prevalent orthodox forms of belief within the universal Christian community.<a href="#_ftn5" name="_ftnref5">[5]</a> Consequently, these widespread and varied views were regarded as heterodox while simultaneously being upheld as authentic Christian expressions. Christianity could exist in a variety of forms and the lines between orthodoxy and heresy were indeterminate. Certainly, the valuing of diversity of opinion within post-modernity makes it possible for contemporary theologians to suggest that the category of ‘heresy’ is no longer applicable in the church today.<a href="#_ftn6" name="_ftnref6">[6]</a> Excommunication for heresy is, therefore, no longer a viable possibility, especially when today’s heresy may become tomorrow’s orthodoxy.<a href="#_ftn7" name="_ftnref7">[7]</a> The general sway of conclusions over recent years about Irving’s views (i.e. from being heretical to orthodox) bears witness to this phenomenon.</p>
<p>To be sure, Bauer’s thesis is in line with the post-modern criticism that categories of orthodoxy and heterodoxy are notions used by the establishment of the church to impose a controlling influence upon others. This criticism could well be applied to Irving’s situation, as his eventual deposition and official condemnation as a ‘heretic’ was a direct result of the elders of his own church disagreeing with his decision to allow the manifestation and operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit within the church worship services. The ousting of Irving from the Church of Scotland could legitimately be viewed as a manipulation of religious politics that superseded the task of honest doctrinal inquiry. One could conclude, then, that any continuing debate over whether Irving was a heretic or not should be rendered obsolete, especially given that the Church of Scotland has since recanted from its incrimination of him.</p>
<p>However, the hasty rejection of notions of orthodoxy and heterodoxy, simply due to a critical attitude towards church government, carries with it the danger of a biased perspective. Exhibiting a willingness to entertain heresy based on the possibility of it becoming orthodoxy in future would be misguided, as there have been a number of heretical teachings that have consistently been opposed by the universal church in every generation.<a href="#_ftn8" name="_ftnref8">[8]</a> H.E.W. Turner rejects Bauer’s overly critical thesis by arguing that the early church universally did, in fact, hold to a number of fixed elements of orthodoxy.<a href="#_ftn9" name="_ftnref9">[9]</a> Howard Marshall emphasizes the presence of theological diversity among apostolic writers as well as a clear distinction between heretical and orthodox issues in the New Testament church.<a href="#_ftn10" name="_ftnref10">[10]</a> Also, most evangelical authorities today agree that evidence within early church history and theology shows that boundaries for orthodoxy were present earlier and more widespread than Bauer had allowed.<a href="#_ftn11" name="_ftnref11">[11]</a> Still, Turner agrees with Bauer’s call for the church to recognise the presence of theological diversity in the second century church, as well as the need for the recognition of doctrinal diversity within Christian teaching today.</p>
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		<title>Edward Irving&#8217;s Incarnational Christology, Part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 00:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edward Irving’s Incarnational Christology: A Theological Examination of Irving’s Notion of Christ’s Sinful Flesh as it relates to the Fullness of the Incarnation This is the second of a three-part series by Trevor Martindale. He gives us an in-depth look at how Edward Irving, one of the 19th Century’s most important church leaders, understood the [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Edward Irving’s Incarnational Christology: A Theological Examination of Irving’s Notion of Christ’s Sinful Flesh as it relates to the Fullness of the Incarnation</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span class="bk-button-wrapper"><a href="pneumareview.com/edward-irvings-incarnational-christology-part-1/" target="_blank" class="bk-button black left rounded small">Edward Irving&#8217;s Incarnational Christology, Part 1</a></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/TMartindale-EdwardIrvingIncarnationalChristology-P2.jpg" alt="" width="458" height="301" /> <em>This is the second of a three-part series by Trevor Martindale. He gives us an in-depth look at how Edward Irving, one of the 19<sup>th</sup> Century’s most important church leaders, understood the meaning of God coming in the flesh. What does that controversy have to teach us today?</em></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Part Two: The Crux of Irving’s Christology</strong></p>
<p>This chapter will expose the fundamental concept underlying Irving’s Christology. Our treatment should not be understood to be exhaustive of his Christology on the whole. However, special consideration will later be given to the relationship between the Incarnation and the Atonement within our task.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>2.1.    </strong><strong>Orthodox Doctrine at Stake – Irving’s Christ as Sinner?</strong></p>
<p>Before one can examine Irving’s views in any depth, it is necessary to first make note of the key theological presuppositions that surrounded the historical controversy between the years of 1827 and 1833. Irving’s encounter with Henry Cole provides a well-summarised glimpse into the theological issues that influenced the parameters of the controversy. The importance of this encounter should not be overlooked, as most who have written on this topic have inserted the encounter in their examination of the controversy. Yet very few have analysed the details of the theological presuppositions present within the conversation. We find this as sufficient reason for examining the theological issues pertinent to their confrontation, as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>My address and questions, and your answers, were as follows: ‘I believe, Sir, a considerable part of the conclusion of your discourse this evening has been upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ.’ You answered in the affirmative. – I added, ‘If I mistake not, you asserted that the human body of Christ was sinful substance.’ You replied, ‘Yes I did.’ – I continued, ‘But is that your real and considerate belief?’ You answered, ‘Yes it is, as far as I have considered the subject.’ And here you produced a book, which I believe was some national confession of faith, to confirm your faith and assertions: in which you pointed out to me these words, (if I mistake not,) ‘The flesh of Jesus Christ, which was by nature mortal and corruptible.’ – Upon which I continued with amazement, ‘But do you really maintain, Sir, that the human body of Jesus Christ was sinful, mortal and corruptible?’ You replied, ‘Yes, certainly. Christ (you continued) did no sin: but his human nature was sinful and corrupt; and his striving against these corruptions was the main part of his conflict.<a href="#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2">[2]</a></p></blockquote>
<p>It is evident that issues contained within Irving’s assertion regarded the questions of whether his body was mortal and corruptible. Before Cole had heard about Irving, he had authored a tract positing a theory that the incarnate body of Christ was inherently immortal, incorruptible and without any taint of sin.<a href="#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3">[3]</a> The foundation for his belief was the presupposition that sin was totally absent from Christ’s body because “where there is sin, there must inevitably and unalterably be mortality: and where there is mortality, there must inevitably and unalterably be sin.”<a href="#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4">[4]</a> The notion of Christ’s mortality was inconceivable for Cole as this could only be due to the defilement and pollution of sin within his body, which would in turn make him a sinner.</p>
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<p><em>In this three-part series, Trevor Martindale gives us an in-depth look at how Edward Irving, one of the 19</em><em><sup>th</sup></em><em> Century’s most important church leaders, understood the meaning of God coming in the flesh. What does that controversy have to teach us today?</em></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Abstract</strong><br />
This dissertation examines the theological viability of Edward Irving’s notion of Christ’s ‘sinful flesh’. The foundational element of this notion determines that his belief in Christ to have been fully consubstantial with mankind necessitates the positing of his assumption of a fallen human nature under the same conditions that are common to all humanity. We argue that Irving’s contextual claims challenged the predominant doctrinal formulations of Federal Calvinism, which had departed from earlier Patristic and Reformed theological requirements for the vicariously salvific nature of the Incarnation and Atonement of Christ to be based primarily on ontological or substantial union with mankind.</p></blockquote>
<p><em> </em></p>
<p><strong>Introduction</strong></p>
<p>At the heart of the Christian faith is the resolute conviction that “the Word became human and lived here on earth among us.”<a href="#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2"><sup><sup>[2]</sup></sup></a> The belief that Jesus Christ is “God with us”<a href="#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3"><sup><sup>[3]</sup></sup></a> exhibits the foundational driving force of the Christian message – the Incarnation. While the origins of this doctrine are Biblically traceable,<a href="#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4"><sup><sup>[4]</sup></sup></a> its development has often prompted intense controversy. From the great Christological controversies of the Patristic era<a href="#_ftn5" name="_ftnref5"><sup><sup>[5]</sup></sup></a> to a more recent debate over the Incarnation as ‘myth’,<a href="#_ftn6" name="_ftnref6"><sup><sup>[6]</sup></sup></a> such examples illustrate the church’s continual quest to understand what the Incarnation means for humanity within each generational context in which she finds herself. The importance of this doctrine cannot be underestimated, as the age-long struggle concerning issues pertaining to the Incarnation has often led to radical reinterpretation of foundational truths of the Christian faith<a href="#_ftn7" name="_ftnref7">[7]</a> ­– interpretations that are not always welcomed by the established church community.</p>
<p><div class="simplePullQuote"><p><strong><em>Irving’s life and ministry was tenderly remembered despite the degree of controversy that surrounded it.</em></strong></p>
</div>This dissertation directs attention to the figure of Edward Irving (1792-1834), as his views concerning the humanity of Jesus Christ provide an insight into how such new interpretations can be fiercely opposed. Irving was accused of heresy for teaching that Christ was incarnate in ‘sinful flesh’ and was deposed from his ministerial status with the Church of Scotland. Irving’s general notoriety among Christians today may not amount to much more than a common awareness of this controversial issue, at best. Indeed, many believers may regard disputes over the nature of the human flesh of Christ and its implications for the faith as redundant. Yet the Incarnational focus of Irving’s Christology has received increasing attention in contemporary scholarship. Our present enquiry, therefore, raises the following question: Is Edward Irving’s notion of Christ having “sinful flesh”, as it relates to the fullness of the Incarnation, theologically viable?</p>
<p>As we begin, some remarks concerning the methodology used to achieve this are necessary. The aim of Chapter one will be to provide a ‘bird’s-eye view’ of the historical controversy. This will involve a brief summary of pertinent biographical details of Irving’s life followed by a review of the significant literature that has been written both in support and rejection of his ideas since his death.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[  Stephen W. Hill, “Would the Real Apostles Please Stand Up?: The truth about apostles, authority and the kingdom of God” Ministry Today (Jan 2009), p. 68-72. This rather brief article is an attempt by Stephen Hill to question the pre-eminence given to apostles in churches today. Hill begins this task by recalling for the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><img class="alignright" src="http://pneumareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/MinistryToday-Jan09.jpg" alt="" /><strong>Stephen W. Hill, “Would the Real Apostles Please Stand Up?: The truth about apostles, authority and the kingdom of God” <em>Ministry Today </em>(Jan 2009), p. 68-72.</strong></p>
<p>This rather brief article is an attempt by Stephen Hill to question the pre-eminence given to apostles in churches today. Hill begins this task by recalling for the reader a story of, what he views as dishonorable, introductory comments of a leading apostle standing as the main speaker at a recent apostolic conference. He uses this as a platform to question the contemporary understanding not only of the role of the ‘Apostle’ but also the role of all church leaders. What proceeds is a passionate argument whereby Hill insists that the abuse of apostolic authority is an issue that is at the center of a widespread misunderstanding of true leadership in God’s kingdom. The argument concludes with a proposal of a solution to this problem to be found by adopting a church structure of ‘functional ministry’ whereby there is no hierarchical leadership in place but instead each believer takes on the mutual responsibility of serving ‘one another’. This review will present the strengths and weaknesses of the key elements of Hill’s reasoning and briefly suggest how such elements could open further areas for discussion regarding church leadership.</p>
<p>An obvious strength of Hill’s argument is his willingness to address problematic areas of ethical leadership—an issue that seems to be of growing concern in the church today. Arguing for a re-ordering of the understanding of true leadership within God’s kingdom, Hill asserts that leadership authority should be given by invitation. Likewise, leadership should always be exercised by example in order to ensure that leaders sustain a heart of servanthood. Hill states his reason for this model is that God always desires obedience through “free conviction rather than any form of coercion” (p.69).</p>
<p>However, instead of developing his ideas regarding ethical leadership within the church, Hill quickly divides his focus between discussing how leaders are meant to lead and what a leader should be in the first place. Evidence for this distraction can be seen from the outset in the tone of his writing. Also, while Hill’s criticisms of an unnamed apostle and an unnamed apostolic body seem to implicate ‘apostles’ in general, we would do well to remind ourselves that this correlation is not necessarily the case.</p>
<p>In equating the concepts of apostleship and kingship, Hill makes the mistake of using one aspect of inappropriate leadership as justification for questioning the position of apostles, and all leaders in general, and their overall place in God’s kingdom. The resulting anachronistic ‘mixing’ of the terms and definitions for kingship and apostleship (it is not immediately obvious how these terms relate to each other to form a leadership model) leaves the reader searching for their relevance to the practicality of church leadership. Hill argues that apostleship should not be based on an Old Testament model of kingship because true theocracy is based on the authority of the priest and prophet. In other words, kingly authority is essentially a “benevolent dictatorship” that controls by coercion and oppression whereas the authority of the prophetic and priestly office is supposedly inspired by the Spirit of God. But this does not entirely agree with biblical evidence. In the Old Testament, priests had the responsibility of teaching God’s law (Lev 10:11, Mal 2:6-7), yet in the book of Hosea we find a situation where the more the priests increased, the more sin increased among the community. As a result, God blamed the priests for the people’s lack of faithfulness (Hosea 4:7). Likewise, even though kingship is an example of an ungodly use of leadership authority (as argued by Hill) we find that David’s main purpose as Israel’s king was to shepherd God’s people (Psalms 78:70-72). If the importance of this notion of kingship in the establishment of God’s Kingdom was ever in doubt, one may find that the Davidic covenant (established in 2 Samuel 7) is of utmost importance in the prophetic foretelling of the coming of the Messiah as the ultimate fulfillment of a King who will be the ultimate Shepherd over His people. Furthermore, while Hill seems to disproportionately favor a New Testament perspective over an Old Testament one in determining the proper characteristics of godly leadership (p.71-72), he would do well to note that a number of dishonorable characteristics can be found among the leadership of the early church, which proves His argument to be inconsistent (Acts 15:36-41; Galatians 2:11-14; 2 Timothy 4:10, 16; Philemon 1:14, 17-21). Hill’s logic, therefore, is scripturally imbalanced.</p>
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